Test of PWM and ECU Sensor Control

We have been speaking with Jose from:  http://dtsal.com/products.html with interest in the devices he has created.

Jose has made what appears to be some capable devices for the management of amperage and temperature for hydroxy cells.

I know many of us are working on and have implemented these devices with our vehicles and these resources may be of benefit to many

It was prosed we test one of these device and publish a report on the usefulness.

Instead of just deciding, we thought it appropriate to ask you which device would be of greater importance.

They have 4 systems available:

• cc-45A – $30.00 USD – http://www.pas-sv.com/ebay_doc/CC_HHO.pdf
• cc-75A – $49.00 USD – http://www.pas-sv.com/ebay_doc/CC_HHO.pdf
• PWM+O2+MAP – $69.00 USD – http://www.pas-sv.com/ebay_doc/PWMHHO.pdf
• EFIE Digital – $74.99 – http://www.pas-sv.com/ebay_doc/EFIE_digital_2009.pdf

Spend a moment to review each of these to determine which system might be of most value to you, then vote of the system you would like to see trialed.

Testing of PWM and Sensor Controls CC - 45A CC - 75A PWM+O2+MAP EFIE Digital No interest View Results  Loading ...

If you would like to be the tester and report writer for the device selected please leave a comment on this page: see below: Please also leave some details about you vehicle and system to help us to select the correct device for you application:

Archie Blue – Patent

Hi,

I found Archie Blues Patent and thought I would post it here for others to find: archie blue patent

Hydrogen installation and plans

The Hydrogen Booster is fitted to my Holden Statesman (shown above). To fit the hydrogen unit in the engine bay, I moved the battery to the boot, which gave me ample room to fit the on-demand hydrogen unit. See below:

Wouter Oosthuizen is the inventor of a critically needed OPEN SOURCE fuel saving hydroxy booster. 

Wouter has done this open source research and development in order to advance education and reduce emissions. Wouter also intends to do further research  and is committed to bringing practical open source water fuel cell technologies to the public.  Click to go original site

He is also providing the public service of making kits available for those who cannot build boosters for their cars, trucks or motorcycles.

The water fuel for all booster is often referred to as a Hydroxy booster and consists of a container of distilled water with a conductive additive. When an electric current is passed through the water it produces a gas mix commonly referred to as hydroxy. This hydroxy mix improves the quality of the  burn inside the combustion chamber while reducing CO2 and other harmful emissions coming out of the exhaust. 

This improvement in burn quality makes your engine run more powerfully and smooth while reducing carbon deposits which have built up inside over its working life. The hydroxy output of the booster replaces a portion of the gasoline normally consumed by your engine.  Typical mileage gain results have been averaging around 20+% using this design.

The water fuel for all booster is one which Wouter designed, built and tested. It is compact, simple to construct and it is very effective. This device has been bench tested to work with no heating issues after 10 hours of operation. Wouter is currently offering these units for sale and intends to use the revenue raised to do further research and development.

These concepts have been in existence for a very long time. What makes the water fuel for all booster device unique is what’s inside.The design produces 2LPM of hydroxy gas using 20 amps of your 12VDC vehicles electrical system. Wouter has kept these units at LOW cost and is currently offering them for for $225USD (excluding shipping). Please contact him directly on his site  to order one.

Wouter is also involved in other clean energy research and development and intends to disclose his results open source for all faculties and the public to benefit. At the moment Wouter is involved in an a few 100% water fueled projects.

Significant fuel saving and pollution cutting device which can apply to cars, trucks, generators, or even be used as a welding torch. Not suitable for engines using waste spark ignition methods.

I have a list of sites used for Alternative Energy Research:
http://hydrogenhybrid.com.au/links

Full CAD plans for the Wouter Hydrogen Booster are supplied on this site. As well as a running dialogue of how my Wouter Hydrogen Booster is going.

Plans for Wouter Hydrogen Booster. Click here (625k zipped)

Today is the 18th March, the safety bubbler needs a new hose fitted, then I should be able to report on mileage.

I have already collected the stats of what the car was using before fitting the HHO unit.

More when I have the figures…

Kendal

WATER4GAS UNIVERSITY – LESSON 1

WATER4GAS -LESSON  ONE The folk at Water4Gas have done an excellent job and sure it is all about selling their books but the seven lessons do give some good basic information and great for a newby interested in the water Fuel cell technology.

H2O WATER CAR RELEASE

A friend sent me this link and it is worth a look. We will show the video at the December meeting of this little car running on water with what seems to be an on board system. Well done Japanese.

http://www.genepax.co.jp/en/index.html See the video here  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Jivb7lupDNU

Electrolyte Resource

A lot of people seem to have questions about various electrolytes used in the production of HHO. I thought it would be a good idea to create some sort of resource to help people understand the various choices out there. Maybe a moderator can make this sticky or something.

Tap water:
Contains god knows what in the way of additives. This will vary from place to place. Does it work? Yes. But you will have varying results if you need to fill up in a different county. In most places tap water contains Chlorine as a biological inhibitor. During the electrolysis process this will create chlorine gas along with the HHO. For anybody with Aluminum parts in your engine this could spell disaster. It has been suggested that you should let the tap water sit in a open jar for 48 hours with a piece of cheese cloth over the top to keep out the dust. This will allow the Chlorine to dissipate out of solution, kind of like what some people do when they first fill a fish tank to protect the fish.

Distilled water:
This is by far the most suggested for use as a base. Distilled water by itself doesn’t conduct electricity very well. This means that you will need to add some sort of electrolyte to the mix. If you are trying to be somewhat scientific about your experimentation then this is what you want.

HVAC condensation:
This has the advantage of being very cost effective as you are already using the AC to keep cool. All you have to do is collect the condensation for use later. It is distilled water in the general since, but since it isn’t in a controlled environment it may contain impurities. But hey, it doesn’t cost any more than the standard use of your AC.

Sea Water:
Sea water of course contains NaCl or salt. This will be extremely corrosive on your plates. Could also be real bad if you get any in your engine. There are several thoughts on how this breaks down chemically during the electrolysis process and will produce poisonous gases. There was someone who talked about boiling the sea water until the NaCl fell out of solution and then use what is left. It has potential, but be prepared to replace major components of your cell on a regular basis.

Hydrogen Peroxide:
Or H2O2. The stuff you buy off the shelf is only 3% by volume. The rest is just H2O. Hydrogen peroxide breaks down very easily with light or heat. As such it doesn’t do much for you in the long run. It is mildly acidic, but it turns to water in a very short time once the cell starts to heat up.

Vinegar:
Vinegar has a real low boiling point and thus tends to be a poor choice as an electrolyte. What happens is the cell starts to boil and you loose most of your electrolyte to evaporation. However it works real well as a cleaning solution for your cell. If you want to get rid of the junk left over from Sodium bicarbonate or finger prints on the plates… etc… Some even use it to pre-condition there cells for a better production rate with other electrolytes.

Table salt:
Or NaCl. Creates Chlorine gas during electrolisys. Extremely corrosive. Does it work? Yes, but probably not the best choice.

Epsom Salt:
Also known as Magnesium Sulfate or MgSO4. Does it work? Yes, but what are you creating in the process? Any Chemist out there want to speculate? My high school chemistry sugest that you could end up with MgO + H2S04. Magnesium Oxide and Sulfuric acid. Again I am not a chemist, so I avoided testing with this.

Sodium Bicarbonate:
Also known as Baking Soda or NaHCO3. This is probably the one that most people start out with as they have it in their kitchen. It does work, but there are better results with NaOH and KOH. It is believed that sodium bicarbonate will break down to NaOH and CO2 gas in the electrolysis process. Also it creates a brown colored gunk in the cell and most believe that, over time, will reduce the output of the cell.

Sodium Hydroxide:
Also known as lye, caustic soda or NaOH. Has the advantage of being fairly easy to purchase (usually sold as drain cleaner). Does not get used up in the electrolysis process such that all you have to add is water periodically. Great results. Can burn the skin if you come in contact with it.

Potassium Hydroxide:
Also known as potash or KOH. Considered by most to be the best option. Can be found in specialty shops that make soap. It conducts electricity better than NaOH so less is needed in solution. Like NaOH it can burn the skin if you come in contact with it.

How much electrolyte should I use?
That depends on so many variables it is almost impossible to define. The going answer to this question is this. Start with figureing out what the maximum temperature your cell design can handle. Subtract about 20% for safety from that and call it your max cell temperature. Then heat your distilled water up to that temperature and poor it into the cell. Then add ¼ teaspoon of electrolyte. Hook up your cell to the power source and take an amperage reading. You can then add small quantities of electrolyte to your cell until you get the amperage that you are looking for. This will get you close to the operating ability of your cell design. Example: If you are using CPVC to build you cell, it is good up to about 180 degrees F. So you would heat your water to 140 degrees. The amount of amperage is really dependent on what you think your car can handle. Probably no more than about 20 amps realisticly. If you find that your cell is getting too hot, then just back off of the electrolyte.

What should I do with my used electrolyte?
That depends on what your cell is made of. If you are using any metal that is chrome plated, contains Chrome or Chromium like stainless steel. Then you end up leaching something call Hexavalent Chromium out of the metal during the electrolisys process. Hexavalent Chromium or Cr(VI) is a known carcinogen and is bad juju if it gets in the drinking water (see the movie Erin Brockovich). In this case don’t pour your used electrolyte down the drain. Mark it with the chemical name of the electrolyte { Example NaOH & Cr(VI) } and take it to your local Hazmat collection center.

If your cell is made out of something like Carbon plates, you wont have the above problem. It would probably be safe to just dump it down the drain.

Green Car project

Power point presentation THE GREEN CAR PROJECT

I first floated the Green Car Project over a year ago as a result of reading the Bob Boyce D9 document where Patrick Kelly suggested that it is easier to use the Bob Boyce cell to run a constant rev engine which would lend itself to an electric vehicle were an engine is used to charge the batteries much like a diesel electric train concept. The aim is to minimise the battery storage and maximise the range of the vehicle.

We are now very close to testing the complete Bob Boyce cell to determine if the 3 frequencies will in fact dramatically increase the gas production to something in the claimed order of 50 litres per min. So far we have achieved 12 Litres per min using the cell as a straight series electrolysis cell. This is not practical to run for prolonged times as it would cook it self. We have had to rebuild the the cell and seal it to prevent a corona effect between the outside perspex casing and the inner plastic slabs holding the 101 plates.

Although there is some new deterioration we hope to at least get a good test done when the coil is complete.

We also have a GEET system in the making and several other bits of technology that can be used in the GREEN CAR Project. At least we have the foundations emerging and in place for a good start next year.

Time will fly fast as it has done this year but it is hoped we can enter something in the Green Fleet Race such as a standard car running clean on HOH but with some fuel. That is in our reach without funding so we will continue to strive for practical and reliable Green Technologies.

A strange corona that did not ignite the HOH - luckily - note the plastic breakdown.

Our Bob Boyce Cell at the June meeting 2008

Coil in the making - first winding

Riveting interview with Dr. Steve Greer and Dr. Jan Bravo

The World Puja Network (www.worldpuja.org) is hosting an interview with Dr. Steven Greer and Dr. Jan Bravo about the Orion Project this Friday Nov. 14th at 11am Pacific / 2pm Eastern and again at 6pm Pacific / 9pm Eastern. Interviews are archived. Topics covered include: Update on Stan Meyer equipment – confirmation from a team that it worked and new information about the patents. Exciting discussion about a skilled engineer finally available to work with The Orion Project. His bonefides were discussed in one of the Orion Project weekly messages. AMAZING! Find out more about him. Discussion about how the change in the energy paradigm will jump start the world’s flagging economy. Hope you can join us!

Hydrogen Boosters

This section has been added to the forum for open discussion about Hydrogen Boosters in vehicles.

In this forum we will discuss the varoius options available and how to get the most out of these systems.

This is a great place to post information and resources gathered in your research and a place to detail your practicle experiences with their use.

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